Comments for St. Jerome's Chapel http://stjeromeschapel.org Preaching on the Saints in the Episcopal Tradition Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:14:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 Comment on Clement of Alexandria by Poppy http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=29&cpage=1#comment-9 Poppy Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:14:32 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=29#comment-9 I really liked you're offering today. The evolution/creationist debate is merely chum in the water to attract the weak for the predators while the yummier, more substantial, more nutritious parts are already in our hands namely; The Gospel of a God who experienced humanness, defeated death for our transgressions, promised to perfect history and to dispense with time. In the meantime, we are charged with that Gospel's proclamation and Jesus' personal command: "Feed my sheep". There has to be a way to queer the efforts of those who would make the church small (the creationists) and those who are in open mockery (the smug scientists). So much of the debate has demanded that we get in bed with one or the other side. The Gospel demands that we exult in creation and stand in awe of a sovereign God on the one hand and preach release of the captives on the other. This is the mighty struggle to which we are called. I really liked you’re offering today. The evolution/creationist debate is merely chum in the water to attract the weak for the predators while the yummier, more substantial, more nutritious parts are already in our hands namely; The Gospel of a God who experienced humanness, defeated death for our transgressions, promised to perfect history and to dispense with time. In the meantime, we are charged with that Gospel’s proclamation and Jesus’ personal command: “Feed my sheep”.

There has to be a way to queer the efforts of those who would make the church small (the creationists) and those who are in open mockery (the smug scientists). So much of the debate has demanded that we get in bed with one or the other side. The Gospel demands that we exult in creation and stand in awe of a sovereign God on the one hand and preach release of the captives on the other. This is the mighty struggle to which we are called.

]]> Comment on Kamehameha and Emma by Micah http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=24&cpage=1#comment-8 Micah Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:57:18 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=24#comment-8 Actually, as I become more familiar with the calendar, I find that lots of them are for days other than the date of death. James Huntington (from just a few days ago) commemorates the date of his life profession. Jonathan Myrick Daniels (August 14th) is actually the date he was jailed. His actual death date, August 20th, is already in use by St. Bernard. Of course, Florence Li-Tim Oi commemorates the date of her ordination (and says so explicitly). So far, the Episcopal Church has been reluctant to double up on commemorations (in contrast to the Roman Catholic Church), and that's why some of these other dates are used. If that position ever changes, then perhaps we would begin to use death dates more universally. On the other hand, perhaps it is appropriate to suggest that a martyr (tightly defined) should be commemorated on the date of his or her death, and others should be commemorated on some date of significance to their stories. More thought necessary. Actually, as I become more familiar with the calendar, I find that lots of them are for days other than the date of death. James Huntington (from just a few days ago) commemorates the date of his life profession. Jonathan Myrick Daniels (August 14th) is actually the date he was jailed. His actual death date, August 20th, is already in use by St. Bernard. Of course, Florence Li-Tim Oi commemorates the date of her ordination (and says so explicitly).

So far, the Episcopal Church has been reluctant to double up on commemorations (in contrast to the Roman Catholic Church), and that’s why some of these other dates are used. If that position ever changes, then perhaps we would begin to use death dates more universally.

On the other hand, perhaps it is appropriate to suggest that a martyr (tightly defined) should be commemorated on the date of his or her death, and others should be commemorated on some date of significance to their stories. More thought necessary.

]]> Comment on Kamehameha and Emma by Susie http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=24&cpage=1#comment-7 Susie Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:45:06 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=24#comment-7 Yet another set of saints marked by a date other than their death. I assume thats because they didn't die on the same day, and there was no good way to choose whose date of death would be marked. I still wonder if we should mark this as "Confirmation (or Conversion?) of Kamehameha and Emma". Yet another set of saints marked by a date other than their death. I assume thats because they didn’t die on the same day, and there was no good way to choose whose date of death would be marked. I still wonder if we should mark this as “Confirmation (or Conversion?) of Kamehameha and Emma”.

]]> Comment on Consecration of Samuel Seabury by Micah http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=14&cpage=1#comment-6 Micah Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:46:08 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=14#comment-6 No, Tripp. I don't think he would have been considered apostate. Inherent in the idea that the King of England was the "Supreme Governor" of the church in England is the idea that somebody else is the head of the Church in that place. At least, that's my sense of the Scottish bishops' argument, and also that of Seabury himself. And, indeed, that position has been borne out. That's what we understand today. No, Tripp. I don’t think he would have been considered apostate. Inherent in the idea that the King of England was the “Supreme Governor” of the church in England is the idea that somebody else is the head of the Church in that place. At least, that’s my sense of the Scottish bishops’ argument, and also that of Seabury himself.

And, indeed, that position has been borne out. That’s what we understand today.

]]> Comment on Consecration of Samuel Seabury by Tripp http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=14&cpage=1#comment-5 Tripp Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:10:12 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=14#comment-5 Would he have been considered apostate by some of the English bishops because he could not swear that allegiance? Would he have been considered apostate by some of the English bishops because he could not swear that allegiance?

]]> Comment on All Faithful Departed by Micah http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=5&cpage=1#comment-4 Micah Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:10:26 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=5#comment-4 Indeed, I do. There are many choices for some of the saints named. But the ones that I think of when I sing that hymn are: Doctor: Luke Queen: Margaret of Scotland Shepherdess on the Green: Joan of Arc Soldier: Ignatius of Loyola Priest: Martin of Tours (I think of Ignatius and Martin together because they were both soliders and priests. I, too, like the connection) Fierce Wild Beast: Ignatius of Antioch (or, Perpetua and Felicity if you want more women, or are afraid of confusing Loyola and Antioch) School, lanes, sea, church, trains, shops, tea: Fill in your own. Indeed, I do. There are many choices for some of the saints named. But the ones that I think of when I sing that hymn are:

Doctor: Luke
Queen: Margaret of Scotland
Shepherdess on the Green: Joan of Arc

Soldier: Ignatius of Loyola
Priest: Martin of Tours (I think of Ignatius and Martin together because they were both soliders and priests. I, too, like the connection)
Fierce Wild Beast: Ignatius of Antioch (or, Perpetua and Felicity if you want more women, or are afraid of confusing Loyola and Antioch)

School, lanes, sea, church, trains, shops, tea: Fill in your own.

]]> Comment on All Faithful Departed by Cath http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=5&cpage=1#comment-3 Cath Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:49:09 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=5#comment-3 Great new site, Micah! I enjoyed this meditation a great deal. This Sunday your godchild will be singing "I Sing A Song of the Saints of God" with the Children's Choir at church. I get special privileges with a deployed dh so I will be digitally videotaping it to mail to him and I'll save you a copy as well. We love that hymn. Especially because the one verse so neatly couples the soldier and the priest side-by-side which our family finds comforting. Also because next is the one who was killed by a big fierce beast. You goddaughter wants to know who that was and I said I knew you'd know. Great new site, Micah! I enjoyed this meditation a great deal. This Sunday your godchild will be singing “I Sing A Song of the Saints of God” with the Children’s Choir at church. I get special privileges with a deployed dh so I will be digitally videotaping it to mail to him and I’ll save you a copy as well. We love that hymn. Especially because the one verse so neatly couples the soldier and the priest side-by-side which our family finds comforting. Also because next is the one who was killed by a big fierce beast. You goddaughter wants to know who that was and I said I knew you’d know.

]]> Comment on All Saints by Susie http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=2&cpage=1#comment-2 Susie Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:41:34 +0000 http://stjeromeschapel.org/?p=2#comment-2 Yay and congratulations! Yay and congratulations!

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